we have to go to what dr. king saw as being an american problem. he said more than 40 years ago we are the greatest purveyors of violence in the world today. there's a study that came out last week that reaffirmed that, that we are the most violent wealthy western nation. why is that. as you talk about jared loughner and white people and black people, the fact is we're killing each other in america. we, you, me, and ann need to sit down and talk about why it is america and americans are so violent. >> ann, what problem do you have with universal background checks. >> i don't. i don't at all. >> even for gun shows. >> gun rights supporters support that. >> now you're for expanding. >> wait, can i finish? >> you may follow up on the race issue. >> first of all, it's not that i am saying any more than i think guns cause crime that race causes crime. the reason you have two separate problems. one are the mass shootings. that's a problem of schizophrenia and mental illness. then you have just general violence. it is true that m minorities coe from disad